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2010 Mustang Gt stock
I bought a predator with the common tunes which are fine. I would like to buy a Steeda CAI kit but they only use SCT and can't provide a tune for the predator. My question is do you have a tune for this CAI yet and what would be involved besides having it dyno tuned, I'm not ready for that yet I have more goodies to put on before I have it all dyno tuned at once. I know you have an excellent tune for the C & l CAI but in my opinion the Steeda is better just due to the design.
Thanks!
Bill
Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
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RE: Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
I would try and contact tuningss on this forum for a custom tune. Its not free but that is the only way to get it to work with an aftermarket cold air intake that requires custom tuning.
I might also suggest the Airaid Intake which does not require a custom tune as it does not lean out the vehicle. You can find it here: http://www.airaidstore.com/Airaid_2010_ ... 50-238.htm
The 15HP and 18TQ increase with the Airaid is at the rear wheels of a loading dyno in Arizona using the OEM tuning and the MVT insert installed. The airaid is compatible with the OEM ram air scoop and will allow you to retain or delete the resonator hookup if desired. They are very popular right now.
I might also suggest the Airaid Intake which does not require a custom tune as it does not lean out the vehicle. You can find it here: http://www.airaidstore.com/Airaid_2010_ ... 50-238.htm
The 15HP and 18TQ increase with the Airaid is at the rear wheels of a loading dyno in Arizona using the OEM tuning and the MVT insert installed. The airaid is compatible with the OEM ram air scoop and will allow you to retain or delete the resonator hookup if desired. They are very popular right now.
RE: Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
I hadn't looked at the airraid it looks fine but the reason it doesn't need a tune would be it's not capable of flowing alot more air so it won't lean out the engine. The 3 best I have researched are the Steeda, JLT and C&L all 3 are good ones but all 3 require a tune for each of them if you get the performance type. The airaid does have the cold air inlet which I like and the Steeda does also although C&L and JLT doesn't. The JLT probably flows the most air but I rea;;y wanted the cold air inlet to be tied in and it's not.
RE: Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
waiting for answer, I also am planing to buy the Steeda, it has the 95mm maf..I bought my diablosport from RPM..Sorry I did that, I have been trying to get a tune for tow weeks now, they say they can tune the ProFlo..but im still waiting..
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RE: Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
Let me try to clarify some basics without getting to technical
Running a car lean has nothing to do with the added air flow with ANY INTAKE.
If you take your stock intake and drill 1 inch hole in the intake tube going to your engine, your car will run lean too.
The lean part has to do with the electronic signal sent by the air flow sensor to the computer telling the computer how much air is going into the engine. If the signal does not accurately reflect the true amount of air being sucked in, the oxygen sensors in the exhaust will pick up on it and report a problem to the computer also known as the lean code CEL. The car may also go into limp mode.
Once again, it has nothing to do with flow of this intake versus the other. The CEL comes on because the computer is not calibrated for the error in air measurement which takes place in the intake tube.
Under your hood, on the intake tube near the air box, you will see a little sensor with two screws and wires coming out of it. That is your Mass Air Flow Sensor, aka the MAF sensor. This is the most important sensor which tells your computer how much air is going in so that it can match the correct amount of fuel and spark to the air. Think of it like the jets of your carb which meter the fuel flow as the air passes through, but in the case of the carb jets, they are like the injectors and air flow sensor combined.
So, back to billbear's question. Technicallly speaking, Airaid has had the largest diameter tube for the S197 mustang from day one at 101mm but that is not why one intake makes power over another so lets all just stop trying to see which ones bigger. The important parts of any intake has to do with numerous factors including design, air flow path, the filter, open space around the filter, and air velocity.
The reason the airaid doesnt need more tuning is because it is designed to not mess up the accuracy of the MAF signal. There is an insert that is removable that installs near where the MAF sensor is inserted into the intake to ensure that the air flows over the sensor properly for correct readings and fuel delivery, ie you dont need a custom tune. If you want to remove the MVT insert you can but that would require a custom tune to recalibrate the different air path that is not being read by sensor. If the MAF sensor cannot properly read the air, it cant tell the computer about it, and the injectors wont add the proper amount of fuel.
Again, this has nothing to with air flow increase causing a lean CEL. At full throttle, there is no CEL for running lean. The lean codes are only triggered if you run lean at part throttle (cruising) and caused because air is entering the engine that is not being picked up by the MAF sensor. The computer interprets this as a vacuum leak but in reality it is calibration issue. The MVT insert resolves the issue with the stock computer tuning by ensuring that the air flows over the air sensor properly.
So, the Airaid intake's dyno numbers are gathered on their loading eddy current dyno with the insert installed, NOT REMOVED. And it is designed to be a bolt-on that does not require a custom tune as long as the MVT insert is installed. A 15HP and 18TQ increase across the board is pretty good. More can be had for cars that need it but you have to understand the OEM throttle body, intake manifold, and head ports and cams etc. can only flow so much. At some point, the air intake, is simply not the restriction so removing the MVT insert and having a custom tune can be pretty useless on a mostly stock vehicle when we are looking at air flow efficiency performance gains.
Also, when I previously researched the other 3 brands you are referring too, there is a muddy issue where their performance gains are combined with improvements to the tune from the custom tune with the efficiency gained from the air intake. The Airaid intake is a stand alone result of 15HP and 18TQ because it did require optimized tuning to make it work. That is why it is not really an apples to apples comparison.
So what is the true cost for these intakes compared to the Airaid. 3 that require custom tuning versus a bolt-on product that retains and uses the OEM ram air hood scoop and lets you keep or delete the resonator tube connection. And if you want to do a custom tune later you can remove the MVT insert. The Airaid also is a quality piece that really blocks out the heat well and is formed around the components of the engine bay area.
Stang2808, I tried to warn you to do a google search on them before ordering but oh well.
Running a car lean has nothing to do with the added air flow with ANY INTAKE.
If you take your stock intake and drill 1 inch hole in the intake tube going to your engine, your car will run lean too.
The lean part has to do with the electronic signal sent by the air flow sensor to the computer telling the computer how much air is going into the engine. If the signal does not accurately reflect the true amount of air being sucked in, the oxygen sensors in the exhaust will pick up on it and report a problem to the computer also known as the lean code CEL. The car may also go into limp mode.
Once again, it has nothing to do with flow of this intake versus the other. The CEL comes on because the computer is not calibrated for the error in air measurement which takes place in the intake tube.
Under your hood, on the intake tube near the air box, you will see a little sensor with two screws and wires coming out of it. That is your Mass Air Flow Sensor, aka the MAF sensor. This is the most important sensor which tells your computer how much air is going in so that it can match the correct amount of fuel and spark to the air. Think of it like the jets of your carb which meter the fuel flow as the air passes through, but in the case of the carb jets, they are like the injectors and air flow sensor combined.
So, back to billbear's question. Technicallly speaking, Airaid has had the largest diameter tube for the S197 mustang from day one at 101mm but that is not why one intake makes power over another so lets all just stop trying to see which ones bigger. The important parts of any intake has to do with numerous factors including design, air flow path, the filter, open space around the filter, and air velocity.
The reason the airaid doesnt need more tuning is because it is designed to not mess up the accuracy of the MAF signal. There is an insert that is removable that installs near where the MAF sensor is inserted into the intake to ensure that the air flows over the sensor properly for correct readings and fuel delivery, ie you dont need a custom tune. If you want to remove the MVT insert you can but that would require a custom tune to recalibrate the different air path that is not being read by sensor. If the MAF sensor cannot properly read the air, it cant tell the computer about it, and the injectors wont add the proper amount of fuel.
Again, this has nothing to with air flow increase causing a lean CEL. At full throttle, there is no CEL for running lean. The lean codes are only triggered if you run lean at part throttle (cruising) and caused because air is entering the engine that is not being picked up by the MAF sensor. The computer interprets this as a vacuum leak but in reality it is calibration issue. The MVT insert resolves the issue with the stock computer tuning by ensuring that the air flows over the air sensor properly.
So, the Airaid intake's dyno numbers are gathered on their loading eddy current dyno with the insert installed, NOT REMOVED. And it is designed to be a bolt-on that does not require a custom tune as long as the MVT insert is installed. A 15HP and 18TQ increase across the board is pretty good. More can be had for cars that need it but you have to understand the OEM throttle body, intake manifold, and head ports and cams etc. can only flow so much. At some point, the air intake, is simply not the restriction so removing the MVT insert and having a custom tune can be pretty useless on a mostly stock vehicle when we are looking at air flow efficiency performance gains.
Also, when I previously researched the other 3 brands you are referring too, there is a muddy issue where their performance gains are combined with improvements to the tune from the custom tune with the efficiency gained from the air intake. The Airaid intake is a stand alone result of 15HP and 18TQ because it did require optimized tuning to make it work. That is why it is not really an apples to apples comparison.
So what is the true cost for these intakes compared to the Airaid. 3 that require custom tuning versus a bolt-on product that retains and uses the OEM ram air hood scoop and lets you keep or delete the resonator tube connection. And if you want to do a custom tune later you can remove the MVT insert. The Airaid also is a quality piece that really blocks out the heat well and is formed around the components of the engine bay area.
Stang2808, I tried to warn you to do a google search on them before ordering but oh well.
RE: Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
ok, the only reason I bought from them is I have bought many times from them in the past and truly have never had any issues at all, so guess I took the chance again. the product is good and the price, shipping were perfect, the problem appears to be support, so that's where I'm at..so with all that said...I am still curious as to your thoughts on CAIs, if you were to have a choice, which would it be and why. at what point would you add one requiring a tune to gain all you can? is there nothing to be gained by adding one that requires a tune to mildly bolt on car?
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DiabloSport
DiabloSport
RE: Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
I have a couple questions for concoursd. First you do sell the airraid since it's a subsidiary of concours direct is that correct? I bought my Predator from Klasse which is also part of concours direct which way i don't know I believe they are another subsidiary. If you say that a stock setup can't really use the extra air flow then why sell the CAI's are they all vaporware? I have nothing personal against airraid systems but I have always thought they looked cheesy. I have had 2 lightnings and 3 mustangs and they all had C & L intakes on them and they all had tunes with them and made alot of very cheap horsepower through tuning and better airflow and metering. I am looking at CAI's for the future not just for the current stock condition that my 2010 is now. Airraid also doesn't mention anyone they have teamed up with for that additional tune why is that? My original question was if someone had a tune for the predator using the Steeda CAI. I really don't want an airraid whether they are cheaper or whatever. I do respect your opinion and thank you for your input but I still need a tune for a Steeda CAI.
RE: Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
Gotta agree billbear, I have installed a CAI on every S197 I have had (8) And all of them have had great gains for the money. and although I have had SCT tuners ( Justin at VMP, Jim SR. at Saleen Speed Labs) Sniper Tunner(For Sale) and now a Diablo. I dont mind paying a bit more for a Quality Looking part as well. I know with the new ford Factory CAI, it makes it a bit harder to get the same gains on a 2010 compared to the 05-09, so I have been looking at all of them, the Steeda unit seems to be the way to go, great look, top quality and they took the time to include the air pickup as well, the pro flow unit PN# 555-3152 has a 95mm maf housing compared to the others having an 85mm. right now I only have long tubes, off road H, some suspension and a tune, but the future holds heads and cams instore, and Im sure the steeda will perform great for that combo, but even as it sits all my research is telling me I can expect not less than 18rwhp maybe more, and TQ to match. Every cai I have installed I put on the dyno and saw before and after, they do work and usually are worth the dollars. Ido welcome any opinions and am interested in any info someone might have on the best CAI for a 2010.
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DiabloSport
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RE: Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
Billbear, we do sell/have sold the FRPP/steeda and airaid intakes. We dont put down anybody's air intakes and the three you mentioned are fine but you made a blanket statement earlier about how if an air intake doesnt lean out a car then it isnt flowing as much air. The statement was totally false and I tried to explain why it was not correct.
In terms of your next statement, I never said that stock setup cant really use the extra air flow of a cold air intake. The results speak for themselves. My statement pretty clearly addressed why Airaid makes an air intake that has two different tube diameters. One for mostly stock vehicles with insert installed and one with the insert removed for vehicles that need the added air flow of more extensive modifications.
In testing the airaid intake in 2005-2009 mustang's removing the MVT tube did not net any significant gain in power on a stock vehicle (with MAF curve correction) over the run made the intake and MVT installed using the stock PCM tune. It was just evidence that the MVT insert was not a restriction with a mostly stock combination.
If you think the airaid intake for the 2005-2010 mustangs look cheesy then I really dont think you are looking closely at the pictures. Every SEMA we see the intakes from various companies up close and the roto-molding, hoses, and overall finish quality is second to none. Their earlier intakes for older vehicles that were engineered out of bent powder coated metal were not nearly as nice as their current molded products. You can look at the latest mustang and camaro intakes as very nice products.
The only reason I brought up the airaid intake was that you would have to pay for a custom tune for the Steeda CAI or buy an air intake that does not require a custom tune to work like that airaid. If you notice, I did give you a reference to a CMR dealer on these forums that can assist you with a custom Steeda CAI tune.
The reason airaid hasnt teamed up with anyone is because they dont need a custom tune made to make their intake work out of the box. I think the question you should be asking is why do these other companies corner their customers into buying a tuner and air intake from them if they there is a way to make a product that is adjustable? I would also add that airaid is the supplier for Roush for their intake and I think that is a good indicator of their quality as well. Airaid is also supported by the Predator for 2005-2009 mustangs when the MVT insert is removed so you can get 101mm of flow with a predator tune.
stang2808, I hope that you get the free custom tunes that they promise on their website. Any of the intakes you mentioned are nice intake tuner kits. You already have a tune and can easily have it retuned for any intake.
Another option is to just sit tight until diablosport released an update to the U7141 for cold air intake tunes like they have on the earlier mustang predators. Diablo has a flow bench and their tunes for the intake are dead-on. Typically diablosport supported the K&N, Airaid, Steeda and WMS. They also support the C&L with the generic intake tune but "technically" the C&L tune can only purchased by buying the C&L predator from C&L.
I hope I was able to help everyone out.
In terms of your next statement, I never said that stock setup cant really use the extra air flow of a cold air intake. The results speak for themselves. My statement pretty clearly addressed why Airaid makes an air intake that has two different tube diameters. One for mostly stock vehicles with insert installed and one with the insert removed for vehicles that need the added air flow of more extensive modifications.
In testing the airaid intake in 2005-2009 mustang's removing the MVT tube did not net any significant gain in power on a stock vehicle (with MAF curve correction) over the run made the intake and MVT installed using the stock PCM tune. It was just evidence that the MVT insert was not a restriction with a mostly stock combination.
If you think the airaid intake for the 2005-2010 mustangs look cheesy then I really dont think you are looking closely at the pictures. Every SEMA we see the intakes from various companies up close and the roto-molding, hoses, and overall finish quality is second to none. Their earlier intakes for older vehicles that were engineered out of bent powder coated metal were not nearly as nice as their current molded products. You can look at the latest mustang and camaro intakes as very nice products.
The only reason I brought up the airaid intake was that you would have to pay for a custom tune for the Steeda CAI or buy an air intake that does not require a custom tune to work like that airaid. If you notice, I did give you a reference to a CMR dealer on these forums that can assist you with a custom Steeda CAI tune.
The reason airaid hasnt teamed up with anyone is because they dont need a custom tune made to make their intake work out of the box. I think the question you should be asking is why do these other companies corner their customers into buying a tuner and air intake from them if they there is a way to make a product that is adjustable? I would also add that airaid is the supplier for Roush for their intake and I think that is a good indicator of their quality as well. Airaid is also supported by the Predator for 2005-2009 mustangs when the MVT insert is removed so you can get 101mm of flow with a predator tune.
stang2808, I hope that you get the free custom tunes that they promise on their website. Any of the intakes you mentioned are nice intake tuner kits. You already have a tune and can easily have it retuned for any intake.
Another option is to just sit tight until diablosport released an update to the U7141 for cold air intake tunes like they have on the earlier mustang predators. Diablo has a flow bench and their tunes for the intake are dead-on. Typically diablosport supported the K&N, Airaid, Steeda and WMS. They also support the C&L with the generic intake tune but "technically" the C&L tune can only purchased by buying the C&L predator from C&L.
I hope I was able to help everyone out.
RE: Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
You know I guess I made a mistake in claiming that too much air and not enough fuel would cause a lean condition my bad. I appreciate you taking the time to explain how the Air raid system works. But I really wasn't asking for that I was asking if anyone had a tune for the Steeda CAI for my 2010 mustang GT bone stock except the tune that came with the predator and it works great. I have since this thread started found a place to have the car dyno'd and tune the steeda to my car. I am disappointed that someone from diablo didn't offer to setup a tune for me but customer service isn't like it used to be. I will be buying the steeda CAI although Stang2808 you might be better served with the JLT since they have a 110MM MAF with theirs and with the mods you are preparing for it might have more capacity. I don't plan on changing heads although long tubes are not out of the question thanks to concoursd for the short course on intake technology!
RE: Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
Hey Billbear, if you are looking for some SS Long tubes, I have a brand new set of BOOST BROS SS Long tubes with offroad H-Pipe, Same I have on my car, for sale, and at 5 bills for all of it with bolts and gaskets, I think I'm giving them away, just rying to get the money in the cams account..lol. I am kind of a show and go guy, and I just like the look of the Steeda so much..but I will consider your thoughts on the JLT and look at it closer. Thanks for all inputs...
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RE: Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
Oh, And the JLT doesnt have a connection for the noise tube..and for me it just doesn't look that great..still debating,,Billbear, let me know how your tune came out and what kid of numbers you gained on the dyno..if you already did it..please shoot me those numbers..thanks
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RE: Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
You can contact me via email for a custom tune for any of the mods you have listed. I have files ready for most of the 2010 CAI kits.
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RE: Need a tune for Steeda CAI for 2010 Mustang GT
Billbear, good luck with tuning and intake. I am glad that I was able to help you. Funny thing is that you are right about too much air and not enough fuel causing a lean condition. But the reason the fuel is not added correctly when an intake is installed with an uncalibrated MAF is because the computer cannot accurately measure the incoming air. If the MAF sensor is setup correctly then it will not lean no matter how much air is ingested in a normally aspirated setup.
I only offered the airaid intake as another option since there is no tuning setup in the predator as of yet for aftermarket air intakes. I made sure to refer you to tuningss for a custom tune.
I hope that diablosport has an update coming out shortly for the U7141 predator with cold air intake tunes but I am not sure if when or if it will happen soon.
I only offered the airaid intake as another option since there is no tuning setup in the predator as of yet for aftermarket air intakes. I made sure to refer you to tuningss for a custom tune.
I hope that diablosport has an update coming out shortly for the U7141 predator with cold air intake tunes but I am not sure if when or if it will happen soon.