Surging Problem

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TooCoolHemi
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Post by TooCoolHemi »

johan wrote:You guys have to understand our workload and priorities from a business point of view.
I get told what to work on, 2011 DCX stuff has priority over pretty much everything as far as new development goes here.
Also, the word "surge" is used a little too loosely here in reference to what your vehicle is doing.
I can honestly say that i have probably tuned 100plus plus vehicles with fairly large cams and been able to eliminate any kind of surging.
From what i can see the case discussed here is rather special and i am almost thinking there might be some mechanical issues that is contributing to this surge, a vehicle simply does not act like that from calibration changes(proper ones).
Just saying.....
Also an FYI, i do not get on the forums here as much as i would like to but i try, thats all i can do at this point.
Let me start off by saying that you guy's have been great.Your help has made a real differance in my Daily driving.You guy's have shown that you care and stand behind your product.I'm happy to be associated (through my purchase)with Diablo and the fine folk's that make this company what it is.I also understand about business and how it work's.I know that priorities have to be set in order to get thing's done and keep the co. door's open.I realize that you can't drop everything to cater to a few.I came here seeking help for what i thought was a serious problem.(This is not a Diablo handheld problem as much as it's a cmr problem.)We are being told go ahead and put that cam in we can tune it.I have found through over a year of loading and trying differant tune's and risking my truck's pcm that this is not quite true.(At least for us with the cam's) With trying to tune this truck i have experianced lunging when stopping and almost taking out the back of the car in front of me (twice),the truck dieing on me when trying to get into traffic with the nose of the truck in the highway,the truck dieing when stopping and blocking the road,countless dieing when trying to get parked and if it lunged at the time you better be ready to hit the brake's,ect.Not to say all the heartache it cause's with what your pride and joy is doing.Ok!!! Let's call it the nature of the beast.But you'll have to admit the danger and the putting of other's in harm's way these situation's can cause.We have kid's following these foot step's to proformance.The thought of them and there passenger's in these same situation's is a lot of the reason why i'm here.These cercumstance's are created by part of the same surge.The guy's who are tuning these truck's are working and trying there ass off to solve this problem for all there customer's.Sometime's they have success some time's they can do no more.If you could of drove my truck before your help you would see excatly what i'm trying to get you to see.I had no choice left but to spend more money and try another tuner with posibly the same result's.Mike said that he seen this before and could possible solve this if Diablo would be willing to help.You guy's have helped and the truck is safer to drive.But the truth of the matter is there are other's who are still dealing with this same problem.Johan i can see where you think it may be a mechanical problem and so did I.But out of all the mechanical thing's i've checked or changed the only thing that has helped or had any result's has had to do with tune adjustment's.(remember that i said that changing from crom 9r03 to 9ro9td made an improvement in the surge.) Most of us take better than average care of our vechicle's and in my case very low mileage.So if it is mechanical it is eluding all of us.This far down the line i think it's tune related or something in the DCX that don't like cam change's.Before your help i was seriously considering returning to stock (i'm sure i'm not the only one and out of frustration i'm sure some did) and for me this ment no tuner needed.If all this can be avoid by a simple addition of a pid added to cmr then i say it will only make happier,safer customer's and only create more business.Let's let the kid's have there fun but let's keep them safe while doing it.I will bother you guy's with this no more.I leave it in your hand's to do what you think is right for all involved.

Thank's for listening (and your help)
Joe
FAhemiST
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Post by FAhemiST »

Joe, have you tried a different MAP sensor?
I think we all need to get our tunes to the point where it's liveable and deal with it.
TooCoolHemi
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Post by TooCoolHemi »

I read that too.Was waiting to see if you changed it and had any luck.lol As far as living with it,i think i can now even consider that thank's to Johan.Johan did you see anything out of the ordinary in my log's MAP reading's?
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Post by FAhemiST »

i'lll pick up a new sensor on my next dealer trip, should be within a couple weeks. i've heard from more than one source now that that may help
TooCoolHemi
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Post by TooCoolHemi »

Cool.Let me know if it help's.
Ramathorne
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Post by Ramathorne »

I am having surging problem as well....
Whats the latest update for the U7137?
gergregg
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Post by gergregg »

I have been fighting the surging problem since installed the 268 three years ago (came from the 260 which ran perfectly). Neither sct or Diablo has been able to fix it. I have changed map sensors erg valves ect. all to no effect. The only way I could get rid of the surge was with the psc-1 and superchips combo I ran. I can't remember here because it has been so long but I either added or took away map voltage in the rpm around the surge area. It overall ran decent but it was no custom tune and having to make those changes in map voltage in those upper rpms (2000) made the tune feel a little strange like it had a flat spot there.
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chefred112
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Post by chefred112 »

I too have a surge in mine (spartan cam, bv heads, full exhaust, cai)... would stall sometimes coming to a stop, 'surge' when accelerating. My tuner fixed the stalling issue and the surging has lessened to a point that it's acceptable (either that or I'm just use to it). I'm at the point where I'm scared to even hook up my diablo to adjust tire size (seeing what randy's going through)
-Fast Freddie-
05 Hemi QCSB
392 - 232/238 cam /heads/lt's/true duals/dual e-cutouts/cai/efan/3.92 gears/2600 stall verter/180 tstat/cat deletes
old 5.7- 214/218 cam/heads/lt's/true duals/dual e-cutouts/cai/efan/4.56 gears/2800 stall verter/180 tstat/cat deletes
Pinner
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Post by Pinner »

I too have the exact same surging issue described by TooCoolHemi. However my truck is bone stock. I've just assumed it was they EGR valve sticking open. This seems to be a common problem with the older trucks, mines an 05 w/about 65,000 km or 40,000 miles.

I found this site in a search for a solution to my surging issue.

Any information about surging or removing and deleting the EGR would be appreciated, I need to do a 2400km (1800) mi road trip next weekend and I'd like to fix it before then. Thx.
Jac1502
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Post by Jac1502 »

any update on this issue?
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white_lightning
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Post by white_lightning »

Jac1502 wrote:any update on this issue?
yes.

I am a CMR tuner, and have studied cam-caused surging issues for a while.

my truck has a Crazy Jay cam, and surged pretty bad at lower rpms. figured out how to get rid of the surge on my truck.

I have tuned for chefred112 and TooCoolHemi, and their surge issues are almost gone. only some minor blips left.

cam-caused surge is NOT something we have to "get used to" and "learn to live with". it is something that can be tuned away with the right combo of changes.

as for Pinner's stock truck, dunno. could be EGR valve. Dodge Dealer should be able to diagnose and fix the problem.
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Post by chefred112 »

Dave is correct..I was getting surges that I ignored for a long while..Dave tweaked my tune and it is almost completely non-existent...and i dunno what else he did but my truck ran killer times at the track last week :D
-Fast Freddie-
05 Hemi QCSB
392 - 232/238 cam /heads/lt's/true duals/dual e-cutouts/cai/efan/3.92 gears/2600 stall verter/180 tstat/cat deletes
old 5.7- 214/218 cam/heads/lt's/true duals/dual e-cutouts/cai/efan/4.56 gears/2800 stall verter/180 tstat/cat deletes
TooCoolHemi
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Post by TooCoolHemi »

Anyone who read's this thread can see that i had one of the worse case's of the surge.Today? The surging is all but completely gone.Like Dave said just a few small blip's that are not noticeable unless you know what to look for.Dave's adjustment's removed almost all of the stopping surge.Also the take off surge is hardly noticeable.He has also taken care of some other issue's with his tranny tuning for my higher stall converter.His tuning has made a big differance in my daily driving as well as the performance of my truck.Now a day's my truck is a joy to drive and don't let it's size fool you.lolol So to anyone reading this thread with a cam related surge,Don't Give Up.There's help out there if you know where to look.One of them is right here on this great forum where all of us Peformance Oriented Diablo user's hang out.

Big Thank's to: Johan/Diablo
Dave (for all you've done for my truck)
Stu/Mike (for getting me to start this thread and bringing the problem to light)
FAhemiST
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Post by FAhemiST »

good to see you guys got this figured out, good job WL!
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white_lightning
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Post by white_lightning »

chefred112 wrote:Dave is correct..I was getting surges that I ignored for a long while..Dave tweaked my tune and it is almost completely non-existent...and i dunno what else he did but my truck ran killer times at the track last week :D
thanks, Fred. didn't do anything to the PCM that should make more power. I think the trans TM reduction in the canned trans tune was helping you out.

good runs, and very consistent!

when you get your trans issue sorted out, you can try one of my trans tunes.
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