3.6 Challenger Tuner

[Mike_Levy]

Even if they don't keep it up they'll be paying the same. Thats the price for the DCX tool.

[smackdownsrt]

Hence the...



...asshole.

[Mike_Levy]

[TexasSXT]

That's funny right there!

[ltwhite]

It is sort of amusing that these modern 3.6VVT cars that efficiently get all the power to the rear wheels can run low 14.0 second 1/4 mile with a few mods and get 30 mpg, while the gas guzzling "500hp" musclecars run in the 15s and burn up tires. I truly think some of these posters are insecure about something.

Nobody really cares one way or the other if you are an asshole in your own life or on your own webpage.
However, the purpose of this particular forum is to educate Diablosport about the market demand for its tuners.

No need to shit on freedom of choice and capitalism!

[Mike_Levy]

Running 15s? I did 11's with a 4800lb SUV. I'm about to do it again with a 5300lb one. Chris did 12's with a 4800lb SUV and 11s with a 500hp sedan. Neither of us are running anywhere near 15's.

The point of this forum is actually for tech support. The only board here for product requests is the Future Product Requests board.

And FYI, I happen to know for a fact that the next supported apps are the Genesis and the Dart/500 Turbos.

[smackdownsrt]

15s? 15s?? 15s???



Even "burning up tires" with a 2.0+ 60' and missing a shift, never was in the 15s. Not with the 650 HP or 556+ HP V, not even with the 400+ HP SRT.

My slips are posted on here, and below for your convenience.

Bone stock 556 HP V.





556+ HP V with just a CAI, TB, and Canned Diablo Tune.



400+ HP SRT with same mods above!





Yeah, I race a lot. Just no unicorn 15s you speak of!



http://youtu.be/ff8VuYjJcZ0?t=9s

[cq842000]

Having seen 4 bangers in the 8's let's just say I'm not moved, but good times regardless...The person posted their opinion and desire for a diablosport product and even if there was a little frustration, as much as v6 owners have been ignored and force-fed the no eta response can you blame them? You don't know me and I bet we are mutually thankful for that, but could you perhaps show a little decency? I'm not an asshole, in fact I consider myself a nice guy, but I am a former Combat Infantryman so it goes without saying that I talk softly... Whether or not an opinion is incorrect there was no need to rub salt in the wound with the genesis and dart support. If what you say is true Mike then I am thoroughly convinced that DiaboSport Inc. has it's collective head firmly planted in it's fifth point of contact, and Pentastar owners might be better served by another company that doesn't have such a generally low opinion of certain engines. I edited my original comment because I requested a little decency and thought it appropriate to lead by example.

[Mike_Levy]

Its true, unfortunately. I wouldn't have said it if it wasn't, because I'm totally against them going Korean or back to 4 cylinders. To me their next step should have been the German Twin turbo 6s and 8s from BMW and Mercedes, who currently pay $3k for tunes. A lower priced option would sell huge. Probably more then the Pentastar, Genesis and Dart/500 combined, if export models were supported too.

[cq842000]

Its true, unfortunately. I wouldn't have said it if it wasn't, because I'm totally against them going Korean or back to 4 cylinders. To me their next step should have been the German Twin turbo 6s and 8s from BMW and Mercedes, who currently pay $3k for tunes. A lower priced option would sell huge. Probably more then the Pentastar, Genesis and Dart/500 combined, if export models were supported too.

We agree somewhat except that I am confident that Pentastar support is going to make some company a fortune and single-handedly blow the doors off of any sales expectations. The installed base is there by a large ratio vs other trims, and the demand is there in full force...so much that market saturation could peak quick and stay there long. In the end no matter what excuse is used, there is no denying that if only 50% of all 3.6l Charger/Challenger/300S/200/Avenger owners purchased a programmer from a single company it would be a huge profit for that company. I don't know any 3.6l owners that are NOT modified and waiting for tuning. Hell I know a few already that have purchased a trinity/in tune months ago, and many more that have forced induction packages in the wing. It seems that DiabloSport if it has the capability to tune these cars and has chosen not to, is severely holding the aftermarket support companies back.

[maine54]

Any word on the ETA or progress of the 3.6 Pentastar tune for the Chrysler/Dodge models? A lot of us are still growingly interested!!!!!

[a.edwards676]

I would love an ETA, I want to tune my 3.6 charger quite badly. I'm planning on buying a hemi anyways, but I still want to give my car a little more until i can trade.

[ltwhite]

BMW and Mercedes owners already have numerous tuner options from companies that specialize in tuning Euro makes as do Asian. Why the f*ck would anybody advocate for watering down the resources of the few companies like DS that focus on GM/Ford/Chrysler?

When someone lamented that DS appears to have a low opinion of the 3.6 Pentastar engine, actually I don't think the troll works for or speaks for DS. He is just a troll who might want you to think he does. I seriously doubt he has any secret access to internal DS business planning.

Here is some good news. Arrington Performance has just been given official license to produce tunes for all 2011 and up Chrysler and Dodge products including 3.6 Challenger/Charger. Your options include purchasing a MOPAR branded PCM from Arrington shipped to you. Because they are the official tuner, they have thousands of maps (as opposed to only hundreds of maps that DS would get) meaning a much higher performance product.

Availability is scheduled for as soon as March/April. Those of us who supported DS and waited patiently are inevitably going to migrate to the Arrington Performance/MOPAR product. It is a shame that DS has not been more active in posting updates or communicating their intent and committment to Pentastar owners but I guess things are just working out this way.

[Mike_Levy]

Have you priced a European tuner lately? $3k+. Thats why DiabloSport should support them. A lower priced tuner would sell tons. They'd easily outsell the PentaStar tuners, even in all the vehicles the Pentastar is in. Plus, twin turbo motors are way easier to make power with. What looks better for DiabloSport, a 75-150hp gain on a BMW or Mercedes or a measly 10-15hp gain on a Chrysler? A big gain on a car with actual performance aspirations looks way better then a small one on secretary cars.

[ltwhite]

I don't know where you are getting $3000 plus for a BMW PCM upgrade from. The euro tuner market is saturated with $499 options all day long. For just one example, see:

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/BMW-E92 ... -cars.aspx

More fundamentally, newer twin turbo BMW and Mercedes are $50-100K cars, AMGs and such. These high end cars are probably 1% of the market compared to the huge chunk of the U.S. market that domestic vehicles bought by us regular joes still command. I don't think a lot of the doctors and bankers who own these types of cars spend a lot of time under the hood and at the county drag strip on Saturday night. They are probably too busy sipping their lattes and eating tofru. If you think there is more potential profit there for DS, I'm guessing you don't exactly have an advanced marketing degree. Besides, if you paid in the high five figures for a car and it didn't already have enough HP from the factory, maybe you are the one who made a bad decision. The point is, this thread is entitled "3.6 Challenger Tuner." Head for the Mercedes forums and stink up that show partner.

For those who are actually serious about this topic concerning Challengers, check out the news about Arrington Performance at:

http://www.bgchrysler.com/tuning-2011-2013.aspx