TCM , SHIFT POINTS, REV LIMIT

[mastahscott]

Mike ,
You keep telling people they are confusing shift points with rev limit , I beg to differ. The problem is they are right, I have a 2012 challenger R/T , set the rev limit yet there is no actual change on drive mode. I have run the TCM which is the lamest crap I ever saw , I don't even know what it does or did. There needs to be actual programming to change shift points period.
There used to be from what I was seeing before and spent a lot of money on this thing hoping that was the case only to find out ,its not really worth the money seeing as you really cannot change enough things to make that much of a difference, You can't turn stuff on and off like paddles etc which should be in the computer , you cannot change shift points which means the rev limit is useless and it is useless to be able to change the neutral rev limiter , what good is that so you can blow your engine? The stuff you think and you should be spending all this money on isn't there. Its bad enough they make the device so its married to the car, that's about the damn dumbest scam to make money I've ever heard of.
It would be nice and maybe Id keep it if it was able to change some useful parameters like mostly rev limit that works and shift parameters , whats worse is it has settings in there for the axle ratio, like come on , its not going to change the ratio. I changed that idle thing to 15 percent too , I see no difference at all.
What gives ? no wonder there are so many problems in the forums and so many for sale on ebay.

[mikel]

Let me try to clarify some things for you sir.

Axle ratio is there so if you change your gears, it can compensate and calibrate the speedo, I dont think anyone thinks it is going to change the gearing by changing the setting int he vehicle.

We have never had the ability to edit the TCM.
On the 05-08 models we could trick the TCM into using higher WOT shift points but Dodge changed the way that works, so we cant do it any more.

The rev limit adjustments works exactly as it should, if you use auto stick or have a manual, it can be handy, but it cant change the point at which the trans shifts when you are in Drive, unfortunately.

Thanks

[mastahscott]

Let me try to clarify some things for you sir.

Axle ratio is there so if you change your gears, it can compensate and calibrate the speedo, I dont think anyone thinks it is going to change the gearing by changing the setting int he vehicle.

We have never had the ability to edit the TCM.
On the 05-08 models we could trick the TCM into using higher WOT shift points but Dodge changed the way that works, so we cant do it any more.

The rev limit adjustments works exactly as it should, if you use auto stick or have a manual, it can be handy, but it cant change the point at which the trans shifts when you are in Drive, unfortunately.

Thanks

Right so my point taken ! Its useless ! Surely not worth 400.00 or more for what it does , its very rare someone would change rear ends since this is s special independent rear end with special gears. Its made to believe you can change the shift points in the advertising and its made to believe you can change the rev limit as people would think could be done for real use , very mis-leading indeed. The idle rev limit is useless as well , So Dodge changed things and diablo didn't another good point. So, Ill say again , there's nothing really worth much in having the diablo tuner as far as stuff that would really enhance performance and change things really worth changing. Auto stick has nothing to do with the rev limit , the computer will shift anyway , it won't hold out until you want to shift , so that's a false statement about it being helpful to change the rev limit. Ill say again regardless of what you are doing , the rev limit has no effect on shifting and vice versa . They are locked that way in the computer and diablo has no effect on either one. Right now as the unit sits , its a pretty useless device at least on the 2012 challenger and anyone considering wanting to buy it for that reason , don't waste your money , this one is going back up for sale. It has not helped me at all , if you want to pay 400.00 to reset your tire size or turn your fan off , or blow up your engine with an idle rev limit , this is the device for you , If you are looking for real performance or mpg savings ,don't waste your money , then scam people by making it married to the car in hopes they forget to unmarry it when they sell the car or make them have to buy another for another car . what bull crap.

[DiabloMatt]

actually if you forget to return to stock before selling the vehicle then all you have to do is call in and have it unlocked. not really a scam by any means. actually it is the opposite. its designed that way so WE don't get scammed. Its in place so someone cant buy a programmer and then run around town programming everyone else s car. i don't see how that makes us bad people.

and to say to tool is worthless is miss leading. its actually a VERY powerful tool in the right hands. granted it does not have tcm support but there is a lot more doing on in the tool than you realize.

[mastahscott]

actually if you forget to return to stock before selling the vehicle then all you have to do is call in and have it unlocked. not really a scam by any means. actually it is the opposite. its designed that way so WE don't get scammed. Its in place so someone cant buy a programmer and then run around town programming everyone else s car. i don't see how that makes us bad people.

and to say to tool is worthless is miss leading. its actually a VERY powerful tool in the right hands. granted it does not have tcm support but there is a lot more doing on in the tool than you realize.

That is true , but its not as easy as you state,. all you have to do is call in alright and pay about 160.00 bucks. Its not completely useless you're right , it does some things but not the things they advertise to make it sound like it does and its hardly worth what they are asking for the things it does. I dunno , just ask the people , mainly the ones selling them. Thats bull crap an you know it about running around programming everyones car, its a mere plot to make money , You dont go around breaking in everyones car do you ? and you cant program the car without being able to turn the key on and off as asked , so nice try though.

[mikel]

Sir if you restore the stock tune to the vehicle it unlocks the device for free, there is no scam here.
Challenger is one of our best selling applications, I'm sorry you don't feel it was worth while, but thousands of other users do, I wish you luck with any future tuning endeavors.

Thanks

[DiabloMatt]

That wasn't what i was implying. lets change gears here. lets pontificate a moment. for example we come out with a awesome mind altering tune for lets say mustang. said tune is so awesome that it triples the horsepower of the car and cuts the divorce rate in half and cures cancer. how do we make money of this tune? option A: everyone that wants this tune has to buy a programmer. and they flash there car an love life. but can also return to stock if need be. option B: one guy buys the programmer and there is nothing stopping him what so ever from pretending its his and putting that tune on every mustang in his town.
we have done this since programmers came out. so does everyone else...

[mastahscott]

Sir if you restore the stock tune to the vehicle it unlocks the device for free, there is no scam here.
Challenger is one of our best selling applications, I'm sorry you don't feel it was worth while, but thousands of other users do, I wish you luck with any future tuning endeavors.

Thanks

Yes , I know that , why not make the device then , so you can use it on any car? Whats the point in making it lock to one car,
The only reason I can see is to scam money.

[mastahscott]

That wasn't what i was implying. lets change gears here. lets pontificate a moment. for example we come out with a awesome mind altering tune for lets say mustang. said tune is so awesome that it triples the horsepower of the car and cuts the divorce rate in half and cures cancer. how do we make money of this tune? option A: everyone that wants this tune has to buy a programmer. and they flash there car an love life. but can also return to stock if need be. option B: one guy buys the programmer and there is nothing stopping him what so ever from pretending its his and putting that tune on every mustang in his town.
we have done this since programmers came out. so does everyone else...

That absolutely may be true and I would fully agree except one thing , it has nothing at all to do with my point.

[mikel]

thats how every tuner works sir, if you want to unlock it, you remove the tune from the car.

Surely you can imagine that if you could just tune every car you wanted with one device we would have been out of business years ago....nobody offers free tuning.

[mastahscott]

Well thats like saying surely if you didnt make a cd so it would only play on one player , they would be out of business too. Thats ridiculous , people would buy one any way for their own use and their own car , how do you figure anything would change for diablo?

Ill tell you whats real stupid too , on a 2015 challenger I am going to pay 599.00 for a pcm to get 15 hp and thats if I already have the diablo intune 1000 dcx . If not its almost 900.00 , now thats makes a whole lot of sense .
Anyone need a good diablo 1000 dcx? I got one for sale.

[mastahscott]

thats how every tuner works sir, if you want to unlock it, you remove the tune from the car.

Surely you can imagine that if you could just tune every car you wanted with one device we would have been out of business years ago....nobody offers free tuning.

Right and think about this , if I have two cars , I have to buy 2 programmers , thats damn ridiculous.

[mikel]

thats how all handheld tuners on the market today work. Just like any other part for your car, you buy a CAI, you install it, if you want to use it on another car, you have to remove it from the first car.

[straasha]

Maybe a better analogy is to think about Microsoft Windows for a computer. When you buy the software, you can only install it on one computer in your house. You cannot install it on every computer that you own. If you want to install it on a second computer, you must buy another license. This is not a scam, but a standard method to ensure their product properly licensed and sold. There are pirates out there that can crack the software and distribute it to those who do not want to pay for Windows.

Blu-ray disks work in a similar way. They use Cinavia technology to ensure you cannot copy a disk and use it in another player at the same time or distribute the movie to someone else. If you want to play the disk on another player, you must first remove the disk from the first player then move it to the second play to be played.

InTune works the same way. It locks to one vehicle to ensure their product is properly sold/used. Assume for a second that you could tune an unlimited number of vehicles as you suggest. I am sure there are a few folks out there that would take advantage of this. They could purchase an inTune for $339 and then tune all their buddies vehicles for $25 a pop. How is this fair for Diablosport? They have worked hard to develop a good product and great tunes for a variety of vehicles. They deserve to be compensated for their efforts/investments.