Shifting Issues (formerly r20 Shifting Issues)

johan · Post by **johan** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:06 pm

It appears as this is pretty isolated to 06's 5.7L , as 05, 07 and 08 shift firmness setting are all the same, the 06 is a little different.
If anyone with this issue wants to e-mail me his/hers original backup or tuned file I can make a change in it so you could verify that it is back to r18 "feel"

Post by **mikel** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:10 pm

kymag wrote:
jackiert wrote:Pulling fuse #11 didn't help. I'm sure DiabloSport is as frustrated as many of us are, assuming they care to rectify this issue and their track record shows that they do. For whatever reason, r20 isn't as good in the shifting dept as earlier versions, nor is it as quick off the line, IMO. It just won't shift as crisp nor will it correctly downshift when you stomp the pedal. It just holds the gear and tries to make the best of it, rather than downshifting to right gear.

I have faith that this will be fixed in the near future. **fingers crossed while kneeling in a prayer position**
I have a 08 and never had any other tunes to judge from except the r20 but when I complain about some of the same things you guys are complaining about they tell me "that is strange" we do not have problems with anyone elses car. A lot of BS comes from Diablo and no good straight answers. Somebody there should run for office because they have all the run around down pat. They don't want to admit they got some problems and they don't have a clue why.

I do not have any answers to give you.
You are not getting any run around.
Find me ONE person that feels that we have not done everything in our power to solve any and all reported issues. Its not going to happen.
Now, keep spamming our forum with your negative posts and it will certainly not help your cause with me. Johan and I have discussed YOUR particular issue on at least 3 different occasions today, because believe it or not, we have a tremendous amount of pride in what we do, and want EVERYONE to be happy with our product.
You openly accused me in an email of 'just guessing' at the tunes for the 08, so you obviously have NO CLUE about tuning or programming, so in this case you really need to step back and let us CONTINUE to look into this.

Thank you.

Post by **mikel** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:13 pm

Now that you've got me all riled up, it looks like you may be the only 08 with this issue after all.....based on the amount of feedback you have gotten on the LXforums:
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=91233

Amazing that we can 'guess' and get it right on every car except yours....

jackiert · Post by **jackiert** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:43 am

johan wrote:It appears as this is pretty isolated to 06's 5.7L , as 05, 07 and 08 shift firmness setting are all the same, the 06 is a little different.
If anyone with this issue wants to e-mail me his/hers original backup or tuned file I can make a change in it so you could verify that it is back to r18 "feel"

I appreciate the offer, but I wouldn't want to change the tune for the worse as you guys have said the tune needed adjustment for the car's sake, hence r20. Now, if you can keep my tune r20 and adjust my shifting to r18 "feel" I might be interested, but would like an explanation on how you'd plan to accomplish that. Seems it would be a tough job since you didn't change anything in the shifting from r18 to r20. Help me out here.........

jackiert · Post by **jackiert** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:47 am

Mike, I appreciate your all fired up, but please don't let that get in the way of what you're doing for us. I started this thread and have been nothing but respectful, understanding, and patient. Others may express their displeasure differently and I, nor you, can control that. I just don't want you to judge everyone else stating they have this problem with the same sentiment. Thank you for your continued research and discussions on this matter.

johan · Post by **johan** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:01 am

jackiert wrote:
johan wrote:It appears as this is pretty isolated to 06's 5.7L , as 05, 07 and 08 shift firmness setting are all the same, the 06 is a little different.
If anyone with this issue wants to e-mail me his/hers original backup or tuned file I can make a change in it so you could verify that it is back to r18 "feel"
I appreciate the offer, but I wouldn't want to change the tune for the worse as you guys have said the tune needed adjustment for the car's sake, hence r20. Now, if you can keep my tune r20 and adjust my shifting to r18 "feel" I might be interested, but would like an explanation on how you'd plan to accomplish that. Seems it would be a tough job since you didn't change anything in the shifting from r18 to r20. Help me out here.........

We did change shift properties in all 5.7L's in 18 vs 20.
Thats what i want to check if putting the r18's shifts with the r20 tune will make it better, i would do it here but for some reason 06's are scarce around here.

jackiert · Post by **jackiert** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:17 pm

johan wrote:
jackiert wrote:
johan wrote:It appears as this is pretty isolated to 06's 5.7L , as 05, 07 and 08 shift firmness setting are all the same, the 06 is a little different.
If anyone with this issue wants to e-mail me his/hers original backup or tuned file I can make a change in it so you could verify that it is back to r18 "feel"
I appreciate the offer, but I wouldn't want to change the tune for the worse as you guys have said the tune needed adjustment for the car's sake, hence r20. Now, if you can keep my tune r20 and adjust my shifting to r18 "feel" I might be interested, but would like an explanation on how you'd plan to accomplish that. Seems it would be a tough job since you didn't change anything in the shifting from r18 to r20. Help me out here.........
We did change shift properties in all 5.7L's in 18 vs 20.
Thats what i want to check if putting the r18's shifts with the r20 tune will make it better, i would do it here but for some reason 06's are scarce around here.

I may take you up on that then. I will probably call you sometime this week and we'll give it a shot. If it works, great! If not, we tried and could always change it back, right?

Post by **mikel** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:05 pm

jackiert wrote:
johan wrote:
jackiert wrote: I appreciate the offer, but I wouldn't want to change the tune for the worse as you guys have said the tune needed adjustment for the car's sake, hence r20. Now, if you can keep my tune r20 and adjust my shifting to r18 "feel" I might be interested, but would like an explanation on how you'd plan to accomplish that. Seems it would be a tough job since you didn't change anything in the shifting from r18 to r20. Help me out here.........
We did change shift properties in all 5.7L's in 18 vs 20.
Thats what i want to check if putting the r18's shifts with the r20 tune will make it better, i would do it here but for some reason 06's are scarce around here.
I may take you up on that then. I will probably call you sometime this week and we'll give it a shot. If it works, great! If not, we tried and could always change it back, right?

Correct...

gsjoe · Post by **gsjoe** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:39 pm

Is it possible that I accidently put the 5.7 tune in my SRT8 and that is why my shifting and time went the wrong way?
Maybe I just need to drive it some and let the system get accustomed to the change or maybe I need to get accustomed to it HUH?

The weather has been bad so I have not had it out again. I drove 1mi to the spot 3 1/4 runs and back and covered it up.

Post by **mikel** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:51 pm

No, cant do that.
Try reinstalling the tune, select the raised shift points and increased shift firmness, and give it another shot...

gsjoe · Post by **gsjoe** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:27 pm

Good idea, I will do that. Thank you, I did not know I could change shift firmness on the SRT. I think that will definatly do it. Does raised shift points automaticly raise the limiter? How much is a safe rpm? Just as As soon as the snow melts off and the temp comes up some. Maybe by fri or sat.

Post by **mikel** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:02 pm

My bad, did not see it was an SRT8...there is no shift firmness option in the SRT8.
The rev limiter is raised in the tunes.

Thanks

sublime702 · Post by **sublime702** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:40 pm

Guys, I have the 2-3 shifting issue (car doesn't want to shift) when I used raised shift points with the 93 CAI tune. If I put it back to stock shift points the problem goes away. This tells me the problem is with the raised shift point option. If you hold your foot into it there is a 3 second delay between this shift. When I put it back to stock shift points it shifts immediately. I know this discussion has been on going, but I was hoping there is a fix soon.

kymag · Post by **kymag** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:23 pm

sublime702 wrote:Guys, I have the 2-3 shifting issue (car doesn't want to shift) when I used raised shift points with the 93 CAI tune. If I put it back to stock shift points the problem goes away. This tells me the problem is with the raised shift point option. If you hold your foot into it there is a 3 second delay between this shift. When I put it back to stock shift points it shifts immediately. I know this discussion has been on going, but I was hoping there is a fix soon.

What year is your car? Daytona and R&T are the same car except for mufflers,decals,etc. If your car does the same as mine you will lose the 5 in autostick with that tune also.

bob34787 · Post by **bob34787** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:39 pm

sublime, yours is an 07 correct ? Mine is an 07 plum crazy, I have no shifting problems at all with r19 or r20. My autostick disable doesnt work but thats normal for most. have you tried r19? I knoe it is supposed to be the same as r20 but it does react differantly in my car. If you need r19 let me know. Also most of my problems went away when I turned my esp back on and just disabled it with the key turn method. I was told by tech support that the esp disable function on the quick adjust causes problems.