Avenger R/T software

[dwkmi]

No, I haven't driven one. I swore off Front drive when I sold my GTP (which BTW is a better car then, sold many more then, and obviously have more potential then, the Avenger). I have ridden in one, and have friends at the rental lots. They hate them, I wasn't impressed on my ride...

So you don't even know that the Avenger R/T can be had with AWD?
Or do you just use the information that helps your lame argument?

I only cherish GM vehicles huh? I'm driving a CHRYSLER 300 SRT8. So much for that theory...

... The Avenger is a joke. Always has been, since the first ones came out in 96.

So if your driving a Chrysler, why are you so against performance tuning for the Avenger? You must have some motive. Let's hear it.

Because you feel the 96 Avenger was a joke, somehow that makes a totally new model a joke. You do know that about all they have in common is the name don't you?

The more you stick to your side of the argument, the dumber you sound. Comparing the Avenger to a LaCrosse? LMAO
Basing your opinion on a rental fleet Avenger and your rental employee friends opinions. Priceless.

And as far as sales numbers go... so friggin what. They will sell more Taurus' next year than Challengers, but how many Taurus owners will be looking for performance parts? How many LaCrosse owners are on this forum looking for performance?

[zeeman]

LOL Ok Mike you can keep this thread open still - I have to see this response rofl

[Mike_Levy]

DiabloSport is a business. Sales numbers mean everything.

The LaCrosse owners don't whine because they're mostly older people with dignity. The LC replaced the Regal, which was the samie as the GTP. They were frequently modded and can be made very quick.

Why am I against tuning for the Avenger? Same reason as I'm against stuff for Imports. They're frequently driven by people who have no driving skills whatsoever. Giving those people more power is asking for trouble. The US licensing requirements suck. If we had graduated licensing like Germany, then maybe I wouldn't have a problem. But as is now, 95% of the drivers out there can't drive worth a damn.

[Bullet85]

LOL I laugh at the GTP.....U figure The GTP supercharged compared to a Avenger R/T superchargered....Z wont say it but i will u r an idiot if u think u can get more power outta that crap...U just need to get out of this thread and go somewhere else with ur awsome thoughts...if u dont like the avenger ok we got it, ur opinion and leave ....it is not that hard man....Diablo is prolly gonna make one for the avenger so lay off.....If ur really so pressed on the GTP join there forum...Diablo sorry about the crap in this thread , we all just wanna know if the avenger r/t is in the near future...

[zeeman]

DiabloSport is a business. Sales numbers mean everything.

The LaCrosse owners don't whine because they're mostly older people with dignity. The LC replaced the Regal, which was the samie as the GTP. They were frequently modded and can be made very quick.

Why am I against tuning for the Avenger? Same reason as I'm against stuff for Imports. They're frequently driven by people who have no driving skills whatsoever. Giving those people more power is asking for trouble. The US licensing requirements suck. If we had graduated licensing like Germany, then maybe I wouldn't have a problem. But as is now, 95% of the drivers out there can't drive worth a damn.

Wow, you voted for Bush didn't you?

[Bullet85]

DiabloSport is a business. Sales numbers mean everything.

The LaCrosse owners don't whine because they're mostly older people with dignity. The LC replaced the Regal, which was the samie as the GTP. They were frequently modded and can be made very quick.

Why am I against tuning for the Avenger? Same reason as I'm against stuff for Imports. They're frequently driven by people who have no driving skills whatsoever. Giving those people more power is asking for trouble. The US licensing requirements suck. If we had graduated licensing like Germany, then maybe I wouldn't have a problem. But as is now, 95% of the drivers out there can't drive worth a damn.

So all this is about driving skills lol R U SERIOUS MAN!!!!! id tell u wat if u took ur srt-8 300 against my 2003 wrx sti on a actual race track who do u think would win.....its all about the car and driver...so wat if u dont have nascar skills who cares....i bet ur not even a good driver at times man....i wish u were in the south east so i could hand u ur a@@ on the track then we would c who has skills....dont even feed us that crap....

[zeeman]

LOLOL I can't believe this, but I have to say one thing. If you are so worried about people with power, why don't you start a clan and protest against Lamborghini, Lotus, TVR, Saleen, Ferrari, Vauxhall, Porsche, basically everyone that manufacturers cars and see how far you get?

[dwkmi]

DiabloSport is a business. Sales numbers mean everything.

The LaCrosse owners don't whine because they're mostly older people with dignity. The LC replaced the Regal, which was the samie as the GTP. They were frequently modded and can be made very quick.

Why am I against tuning for the Avenger? Same reason as I'm against stuff for Imports. They're frequently driven by people who have no driving skills whatsoever. Giving those people more power is asking for trouble. The US licensing requirements suck. If we had graduated licensing like Germany, then maybe I wouldn't have a problem. But as is now, 95% of the drivers out there can't drive worth a damn.

Sales numbers do mean everything, but only sales numbers on vehicles driven buy people that will buy Diablo's products. Do you get that yet? Or do I need to rephase a third time.
Yes, sales numbers of Diablo's products are important. But that doesn't go hand in hand with vehicle sales numbers. They could sell a gazillion mini vans, but how many soccer moms are going to rush out and buy performance products? Am I getting through?

You cannot be serious! 95% of drivers, including everyone that drives an import can't drive worth a damn????? So Diablo shouldn't create performance products for 95% of the vehicles out there?

You make it too easy when half your argument is the opposite of the other half. Sales numbers are important but they should limit sales to just 5%????
You really struggled in math class didn't you? And economics class must have been a bitch. Like I said earlier, the more you explain yourself, the dumber you appear. It's better to remain quiet and be thought a fool, then to speak and remove all doubt.

[Quick]

ummm, you guys missed the point. Mike_Levy mentioned it in his first response but then you both went off on something else. It really doesn't matter if a car is "worthy" of being tuned. What matters is the market potential to sell tuners for that car. This is going to have a number of factors which will all boil down to

What is the total market potential.
What percentage of that market can we expect to capture.
Based on that you make a "qualified" or "rejected" decision.
Total market can be effected on how many of that car (or group of cars) are out there and what is the driver demographic, etc. I think you'd see a Predator for Dodge Caravans if most of the bazillion Caravan drivers were trying to tune them. On the other hand you probably wouldn't see a Predator for a 600 merc because most of those drivers aren't interested in tuning them at their houses.

So if you make the marketing cut you move on to development cost, production cost, and available resources. Factor in stuff like how much you already have that can be leveraged, time to market, etc, and weight that against the above. Then maybe if Mike drives one of those...

If anyone is doing their job there you can bet they're spending a good amount of time looking at what cars to do next. After all that, there is some small chance that rounding up all your friends and neighbors to say they're dying to buy one might just sway a 50/50 decision in your favor.

[fordomatic69]

Was away yesterday.....What'd I miss?

[zeeman]

Mike_Levy is just ignorant. I could be very ignorant and mention that the magnum should of never had a tuner released and it was luck that they were a tuner became available because the tuner was actually intended for the charger which killed the magnum THANKFULLY!, yet if I rephrase it and say the magnum is on the LX platform and shares the same components so it was definitely a bonus that the tuner came out for the magnum as well, I don't sound like an ass.

Now my point is, the 3.5L is the same engine shared across more platforms than any other vehicle. The R/T line, I agree, is not what it was in the 70's, however, I feel it is there to tell everyone "I want performance instead of economy". SRT's are obviously the new R/T line, but for vehicles where an SRT is not available (since they don't produce SRT's immediately unless they are 100% positive on ROI (such as the Challenger), the R/T is the best available. That would mean any vehicle labelled either R/T or has the 5.7L HEMI in it, would be eliminated from Diablo's prospect list. That's smart.

Which also reminds me, you guys should probably start protesting against the 3.5L Challenger coming out because you know, the only difference from an Avenger is cosmetic and it's RWD instead of FWD/AWD and possibly it may not have the 6speed trans the Avenger does. Anyways, if I cared about economy, I would of taken the 2.4L or the 2.7L E85 engine, but again I did not. So I don't know what else Chrysler can do to literally label and distinguish their vehicles an economical or performance vehicle. The 3.5L platforms is a goldmine for any engine/peformance product as only slight modifications would be needed for the first product, instead of making something from scratch for an entire different platform, which my point is, sales numbers only play a small role. There are some models that they label R/T which I also don't agree with however, anyone with common sense would know people aren't going to use a Mini-van for example, for the track. For the idiots that do, that is their own problem.

What I find amazing is the fellow UNSUPPORT we are getting. If anything, Diablo is US based making US products for domestic cars. You should be happy people out there are getting Avenger's and not imports. I also find it amusing that locally I have quite a few of fellow v8 members (mustangs, camaro's, T/A's, chargers, 70's muscles) and they like the avenger and believe there's a lot of potential for it. Yet, fellow Dodge/Chrysler people are completely against it.

[Quick]

Errr, ummm, I'm not sure of your point above. Was it that it makes sense for DiabloSport to do a Predator for the Avenger? Why? You did mention that the "3.5L is the same engine shared across more platforms than any other vehicle". Thats a good start. The next question would be "How many people are tuning those cars?" or would if they could? Just because the engine is ubiquitous doesn't mean it represents a significant tuner market.

[fordomatic69]

Had to look up the Avenger R/T to jog my memory of what is was. Looks like a Mini-me Charger.... sort of cool. Hell, why not tune it like the 3.5 LX cars? Whatever floats yer boat man, that's kewl with me!

[zeeman]

Errr, ummm, I'm not sure of your point above. Was it that it makes sense for DiabloSport to do a Predator for the Avenger?

Yes.

Why? You did mention that the "3.5L is the same engine shared across more platforms than any other vehicle". Thats a good start.

Exactly. If you can make a product that could be somewhat universal for a full line of vehicles with minor adjustments to each product, wouldn't that make more sense then spending a lot of time trying to build something from scratch? I use the word product as coming from a companies perspective.

The next question would be "How many people are tuning those cars?" or would if they could? Just because the engine is ubiquitous doesn't mean it represents a significant tuner market.

How many people even know what a tuner is is the real question, which would walk right into your second question, if they knew what it was, what it could do and was available, would they do it?

Everyone is not born with an auto education. Not saying Diablo markets poorly, but people need to expand their knowledge of performance products. Honestly I have never heard of Diablo until I found out they make a tuner for the Charger. I have friends/family members who are not into cars at all just learning that K&N drop-in filters are better than the stock air-filter. I didn't ask where they heard it from, but that just goes to show if you put the education out there, people will listen, but not that we want everyone enhancing their vehicles :p But as gas mileage becomes a rising issue, people will need to start educating themselves and realize you can get more out of a vehicle if you want to spend a little bit of money.

[zeeman]

Had to look up the Avenger R/T to jog my memory of what is was. Looks like a Mini-me Charger.... sort of cool. Hell, why not tune it like the 3.5 LX cars? Whatever floats yer boat man, that's kewl with me!

lol thanks man!