Avenger R/T software

[Quick]

How many people even know what a tuner is is the real question, which would walk right into your second question, if they knew what it was, what it could do and was available, would they do it?

Tuners have been around since they came out with electronic ignition and ECMs. People who used to tune with screw drivers and wrenches started looking for them as soon as cars started coming with ECMs. It's the performance/"car nuts" that tune cars and buy cars for performance in the first place. Those are the people that use tuners. Nothing new there. Sure there are a few new people getting into that every day but that number is down in the noise level as far as product market goes.

Everyone is not born with an auto education. Not saying Diablo markets poorly, but people need to expand their knowledge of performance products. Honestly I have never heard of Diablo until I found out they make a tuner for the Charger.

Again, perfermance/car nuts that read car magazines, watch racing shows on TV, etc. I think DiabloSport does it's advertising there. Those are the people likely to have an interest in tuning their car.

I have friends/family members who are not into cars at all just learning that K&N drop-in filters are better than the stock air-filter. I didn't ask where they heard it from, but that just goes to show if you put the education out there, people will listen, but not that we want everyone enhancing their vehicles :p

It's a big leap from using a different brand air cleaner or oil or oil filter, etc, to tuning your motor... Tell them it could void their warranty, they could kill their motor, and they won't pass emissions and see how interested they are at that point.

But as gas mileage becomes a rising issue, people will need to start educating themselves and realize you can get more out of a vehicle if you want to spend a little bit of money.

Gas mileage? gas mileage? You don't think the car manufacturers are doing a good job with gas mileage? Don't forget that you need to stay within emissions and the targeted duty cycle.

[johan]

Had to do this...

[mikel]

now you done it!!!

You guys should see Johan trying to tune FWD cars on the dyno...he climbs in the back seat with his laptop, and starts looking for an ignition in the trunk area....LOL.....

[johan]

Lol, i told you not to tell anyone about that, i get confused man...

[fordomatic69]

OMG... I hate to poke fun... but I don't care who ya are... that there is just downright funny

I'd love to see a FWD redline in Reverse on a Dyno That would be SICK, I tell ya!!

[Mike_Levy]

Had to do this...

THANK YOU!!

[zeeman]

Tuners have been around since they came out with electronic ignition and ECMs. People who used to tune with screw drivers and wrenches started looking for them as soon as cars started coming with ECMs. It's the performance/"car nuts" that tune cars and buy cars for performance in the first place. Those are the people that use tuners. Nothing new there. Sure there are a few new people getting into that every day but that number is down in the noise level as far as product market goes.
Again, perfermance/car nuts that read car magazines, watch racing shows on TV, etc. I think DiabloSport does it's advertising there. Those are the people likely to have an interest in tuning their car.
It's a big leap from using a different brand air cleaner or oil or oil filter, etc, to tuning your motor... Tell them it could void their warranty, they could kill their motor, and they won't pass emissions and see how interested they are at that point.
Gas mileage? gas mileage? You don't think the car manufacturers are doing a good job with gas mileage? Don't forget that you need to stay within emissions and the targeted duty cycle.

Yes I know...I am just generally saying, isn't it better if you could market a product to 30% of the population instead of 5%?

And as for gas mileage, apparently domestics are not doing good enough:

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article. ... opart=utes

[zeeman]

Ok obviously this is going nowhere. I feel like I'm on some forum with a bunch of import teenagers....and to think I was going to actually talk highly of Diablo :shrugs:

What is this how you kids say...FTW?

[johan]

Did not mean to offend anyone with that post, it was purely meant as a joke.
The owner already stated
"Yes, Avenger support is coming.
The bottleneck usually comes down to resources. Once we get that limitation removed, vehicle coverage is going to explode."

There is not much more to say.

[markio]

DiabloSport is a business. Sales numbers mean everything.

The LaCrosse owners don't whine because they're mostly older people with dignity. The LC replaced the Regal, which was the samie as the GTP. They were frequently modded and can be made very quick.

Why am I against tuning for the Avenger? Same reason as I'm against stuff for Imports. They're frequently driven by people who have no driving skills whatsoever. Giving those people more power is asking for trouble. The US licensing requirements suck. If we had graduated licensing like Germany, then maybe I wouldn't have a problem. But as is now, 95% of the drivers out there can't drive worth a damn.

Idiots drive all makes of cars, even Chryler 300s. I see we are dealing with a bright one here. lol

[dwkmi]

ummm, you guys missed the point. Mike_Levy mentioned it in his first response but then you both went off on something else. It really doesn't matter if a car is "worthy" of being tuned. What matters is the market potential to sell tuners for that car. This is going to have a number of factors which will all boil down to

What is the total market potential.
What percentage of that market can we expect to capture.
Based on that you make a "qualified" or "rejected" decision.
Total market can be effected on how many of that car (or group of cars) are out there and what is the driver demographic, etc. I think you'd see a Predator for Dodge Caravans if most of the bazillion Caravan drivers were trying to tune them. On the other hand you probably wouldn't see a Predator for a 600 merc because most of those drivers aren't interested in tuning them at their houses.

So if you make the marketing cut you move on to development cost, production cost, and available resources. Factor in stuff like how much you already have that can be leveraged, time to market, etc, and weight that against the above. Then maybe if Mike drives one of those...

If anyone is doing their job there you can bet they're spending a good amount of time looking at what cars to do next. After all that, there is some small chance that rounding up all your friends and neighbors to say they're dying to buy one might just sway a 50/50 decision in your favor.

You must have had trouble with comprhensive reading, and seem to be having trouble following along. So I'll re-state it a fourth time. The sales voume alone of any given car is not important. It's The volume of potential customers for any given car.

Mike_Levy summed up his opinion by saying that 95% of all people shoudn't have perfomance products. And no imports should have performance parts.
I thought he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed... and then you come along in support of his illogical thinking.... but wait, you then state the obvious - which is the opposite of what Mike_Levy is saying, and exactly what we have been saying.
Did Mike_Levy sign in as Quick? You both seem to contradict yourselves and have no clue that you are.

Since some of you don't know much about the current Avenger, I'll help out.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz= ... tnG=Search

[dwkmi]

Had to do this...

No one is saying the rwd isn't better than fwd. That goes without saying... well, for most people - you obviously felt the need to state the obvious.

I am in awe of your cleverness and wit. [end sarcasm]

[Quick]

You must have had trouble with comprhensive reading, and seem to be having trouble following along. So I'll re-state it a fourth time. The sales voume alone of any given car is not important. It's The volume of potential customers for any given car.

I'm sorry. I didn't agree or disagree with Mike_Levy. Comprehensive reading skills?

Since some of you don't know much about the current Avenger, I'll help out.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz= ... tnG=Search

Haha. Comparative numbers please? AND... [my sincere apologies to DS for doing this on their forum] since YOU don't seem to know about the VW Rabbit I'll help you out.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz= ... tnG=Search



I have to admit I first searched on "Ford Pinto Tuner" but that actually failed As an after thought I did try "Dodge Caravan Tuner" and that worked! Maybe DS should consider bumping the Avenger down on the list and get to the Caravan sooner

[dwkmi]

You didn't agree with Mike_Levy??? Let me quote you "ummm, you guys missed the point. Mike_Levy mentioned it in his first response but then you both went off on something else."

Who is talking about VW Rabbits? Are you seeing things?
I wasn't saying that Diablo should jump on the Avenger simply because there are some google hits. And that sentence wasn't directed just to you. I stated that "since some of you don't know about the Avenger..." and if you could pay attention and follow along, you would see that a few people said they didn't know much about the Avenger. For those people I thought they might read a little and even take a look at the Avenger Stormtrooper. I didn't realize that you would click on the link and just look at all the pretty words on the google page.

I'll make it easier for Quick, 'cause he isn't real quick.
The first search result from google
Dodge Avenger Tuner - Stormtrooper - 2007 SEMA Auto Show
This pearl-white take on the Dodge Avenger midsize sedan is designed as a sophisticated tuner car for somebody who's beyond the boy-racer look but still ...
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autos ... ooper.html
- 38k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

[zeeman]

Johan, sorry to be rude but that was really uncalled for. You have no idea what we go through to defend the avenger as you can tell from this thread. But we defend it because people don't know or don't care as most think like the typical car owner and no car is better than theirs. As for most of us, we know our car is not all that and a bag of chips, we just want products. But now when we have to defend the vehicle to a potential aftermarket supporter? That's kind of ridiculous. How is that supposed to make us want to help you earn a paycheck? And FYI, there is an AWD Avenger available, and considering stock vs. stock, the FWD v6 avenger can walk a RWD v6 mustang...and quoting from a person on another forum:

" I had a v6 avenger kick my ass (bad!) when I had an 06 v6 mustang convert. LOL It was a big reason why I dumped the v6 auto vert for a 08 4.6L 5-speed hardtop."

So what's so great about RWD again? I'm not saying either one is better than the other but I'm just stating an obvious fact that the world doesn't revolve around RWD vehicles.

Quick, you are just an idiot. Want to talk about a ridiculous car that should of never been made? Your magnum is that ridiculous car - you drive a 4300lb station wagon with a v8.....and you are still talking?