SRT4 93tune Improvment request U7134

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SCGt94 wrote:its an issue i will need to tackle coming up shortly....come on guys you know me, ill get it fixed. I just need some time to work on it. I got two tools that are being lame...the 6.4 tool and the this one. I am trying to fix tire size for them while working on this stuff for you guys, just give me some time.
No worries, Don. You're awsome, we all love you :oops:

Let me know if I can help out in any way
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didn't get to log tonight like i wanted...ran into some issues with the WGA. once I get that taken care of tomorrow, I'll do another log and post up
Juan

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SCGt94 wrote:
Srt4Dr1ver wrote:
Krazyrdr83 wrote:Ok, well, i tried it out for a few days...first thing I noticed is that it loads things very slowly. I sat there forever uploading the new crom/93 oct tune in the pcm. even when making changes, it's like it pauses, and then takes longer than the 9r17 crom.

did a few pulls, no logging yet, but my a/f are everywhere. first pull, a/f went from high 11's, to mid 12's...backed off. tried again thinkin maybe i didn't add enough fuel, but it's the same amount i've always added. so i left it alone. same day, i did another pull on the way home. now my a/f went from mid 11's to mid 10's...i was like wth.

today, i did another pull, a/f went from high 11's, to mid 12's and then jumped to low 13's. i freaked out...never had that happen to me. tried again thinkin maybe something was up...same thing. pulled the 93oct tune out. loaded the revised ptp tune (still took forever to load), and still had 10.5% fuel added, did a two pulls, and a/f were high 10's low 11's both pulls....

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I datalogged today and after retarding knock 2* in 2k-3k and 3k-4k rpm's and 3* in 4k-5k and 5k-6k rpm's That brought it down to a 1.5 knock. Initially it had hit 6.0 just like it used to. What's going on? I will post up my dl. The dl is after I added 6% fuel in 3-4, 4-5 and 5-6 rpm's.

I assume you meant you pulled 2 degrees of timing in those areas? You should log spark @ cyl 1 and base spark. The tune only runs 22 degrees at fuel advance, having to pull and another 2 seems a bit excessive...you have a catch can correct?
What I stated was correct, 2* in 2-3 and 3-4 and 3* in 4-5 and 5-6k rpm's.
And no i don't have a catch can but what difference would that make?
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duster360 wrote:
Srt4Dr1ver wrote: I datalogged today and after retarding knock 2* in 2k-3k and 3k-4k rpm's and 3* in 4k-5k and 5k-6k rpm's That brought it down to a 1.5 knock. Initially it had hit 6.0 just like it used to. What's going on? I will post up my dl. The dl is after I added 6% fuel in 3-4, 4-5 and 5-6 rpm's.
Just like LTFT, LT Knock Retard DOES NOT clear when you flash a new tune.
Your log shows 0 ST Knock which is perfect! :D

The Lt knock that is showing up is just a left over correction from your old tune.

Disconnect the battery to reset LT knock to 0 and you're good to go!
What is the difference than between the LT and ST knock? Is one more significant than the other? In english please? haha I'm a little new to the dsp. But my battery gave up on life today so I bought a new one. I'm sure that's a good enough reset, haha. Should I start over though? Put in the stock tune, then reflash the 93oct tune again and then run it w/o retarding the timing?

Sorry, I just want step-by-step on this so I can get it right and be done with it! Atleast for now 3:D
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Post by sfla_srt4 »

LT knock is always being pulled from your timing. ST only pulls for that instant or however long it is occuring. say for example, and just using random numbers here. Say on WOT (wide open throttle) your timing is 25*. If you have 2* ST knock it will bump that number down to 23* for the instant and then right back up to 25*. your next wot run it will be back at 25* unless you get more st knock. Eventually the PCM will see the pattern and pull say 2* of LT knock. then your wot runs will be at 23* the entire time instead of at 25*. The LT knock is stored and when you reset your PCM it will erase the LT knock being pulled.

This was just a simple example, and forgive me if im wrong.

edit* Didnt finish reading your post lol.. Just leave your tune on there. No need to restore to stock first. as long as you disconnected your battery, which it seems that you have, you should be fine.
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A catch can will catch oil vapor from puddling in the intake manifold. Oil will promote detonation, hence why a lot of Chrysler guys run a catch can. Most guys will run some sea foam through the pcv lines and through a vac line and then throw on a catch can. In MOST instances, knock is reduced significantly.
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ya, i cant believe how much oil I have in mine..
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Ok, got the WGA problem fixed for the most part. These logs are as of 20 minutes ago. a/f are 11.5-11.7 from 3-5k then 11.8-11.9 from 5-6k (gotta add fuel...just a lil bit). boost, well, seems to spike 20, and fall off to 14 by redline. car seem to ride out really good. first pull got the 1 count of knock at around 4800 rpm in and 1 count inbetween 5600-5800 rpm. And 1 count of LT knock, but can't really see where. Anywho...the log will speak for itself...

This is the new crom that I'm testing out. BTW, the upload time has gotten quicker. I think it was just the first initial setup.

http://depositfiles.com/files/y06o816u5
Juan

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SCGt94 wrote:A catch can will catch oil vapor from puddling in the intake manifold. Oil will promote detonation, hence why a lot of Chrysler guys run a catch can. Most guys will run some sea foam through the pcv lines and through a vac line and then throw on a catch can. In MOST instances, knock is reduced significantly.
So I ran the tune again, without pulling any timing, just added fuel, my max hit afr was 12.2, a little high but I will lower it tomorrow. But as to my knock, it still is ridiculously high. What do I need to do for this to work...? Here is my log.
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Srt4Dr1ver wrote: So I ran the tune again, without pulling any timing, just added fuel, my max hit afr was 12.2, a little high but I will lower it tomorrow. But as to my knock, it still is ridiculously high. What do I need to do for this to work...? Here is my log.
First things first, log the proper PIDs. You didn't log the most important PID, MAP. Without it you don't even know what your boost is.

Here's my suggested list: http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f384/wh ... og-484265/

Second: That's quite a bit of knock for a max A/F of 12.2 and relatively low timing especially with Don's new Knock thresholds. Somethings up. Add fuel back in to get the A/F between 11.5-12.0, clear the LT KR and retest. A more complete list of PIDs might show an issue.

Are you using 91 octane fuel or 93?
Do you have a way to datalog A/F?
What brand of wideband are you using?
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^ what he said...duster knows his stuff.
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Post by Krazyrdr83 »

Don & Duster, I posted last nights log...don't know if you've seen the post
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Krazyrdr83 wrote:Don & Duster, I posted last nights log...don't know if you've seen the post
Looks good to me if A/F looks good. I'd ignore the 2 random spikes of Knock.
LTFT is pulling 2% at WOT, so clear that out of there.
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Post by Krazyrdr83 »

will do....thanks for the input.

Don, so far it's a green light for me. Car def pulls a lot better. My fiance even drove it and she said the power loss is back.
Juan

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good to hear, like i said that mid range timing makes a real nice addition to the tunes, really wakes the car up quite a bit.
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