Question about latest revision for 6.0 l

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:28 am

John, I talked to ford tuner about your issuse this morning when I got to work. The reason your predator is giving you the message (not registered and was giving you a calid#) Your truck was reflashed by the dealer (I did not know this. Didn't come up when we spoke) The revision R17 does not support the new calid # the dealer flashed on your vehicle. I know you said your fuel mileage dropped with the r19 revision installed. Did you notice if the fuel mileage dropped with the new flash from the dealer (stock tune). Right now the only revision that will work on your vehicle is the R19. Check your fuel mileage with the stock tune to see if it has dropped. If it has dropped in stock mode. There will be a loss with the tune installed compared to pre-flashing of the vehicle.

rtprestw · Post by **rtprestw** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:44 pm

Phil,
I also have had a consistent 4-5 MPG drop in fuel mileage moving from r17 to r19. The last two sentences above disturb me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the Predator re-programmed the ECM. If that the case, what does the factory tune have to do with a DS modified tune. My knowledge of fuel systems is limited but I would think that to increase power in this specific application the following parameters if available would need to be modified. Injector on event in time related to TDC, Injector off event in time related to TDC, pulse duration in time, fuel pressure, boost pressure, boost rate, maybe others please elaborate. Therefore I do not buy the idea of the factory tune impacting the DS tune in the areas of this discussion unless DS is only adjusting boost rate and pressure while fooling the gage because it seems to tract the factory boost rates and pressures. No insinuations just observations.
Terry

jsavelli · Post by **jsavelli** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:45 pm

If you read in my above posts I did say the truck was serviced and computer updated. With the new tune r19 my mpg has dropped from stock tune. Is there anything you can do or will there be a new tune coming out to fix thses problems. There is no sense for me to put the r19 in it, makes things worse, I do not want loose faith in this product but I have not seen any positives. Advice?

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:04 am

rtprestw, All tunes are based off of the stock tunes. If the new tune that was flashed to the truck via (new calid) has less hp than the one that was previously in the truck had. You will gain less with the predator tune installed. So you are getting X amount of hp added to the stock tune. Every vehicle does not put out the same figures.

jsavelli, After I read your post today I was going to discuss it with the ford tuner. He left this morning for the PRI show in Orlando. He will not return until monday. I know how you guys are feeling. I will try to get more info on this matter for you. I know from reading alot of the post on this subject that alot of these guys have been waiting quite awhile on a solution. I will do my best to get some answers for you.

jsavelli · Post by **jsavelli** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:25 am

ok, let me know soon. thx

rtprestw · Post by **rtprestw** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:43 pm

So, basically, from a fuel management perspective the Predator is "acting" the same as an in-line module, correct? I was under the assumption from reading the info here that the Predator was able to fully manipulate fuel management and if true would NOT act as you describe but would rather be fully programmable and independant from a fuel management perspective.

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:19 pm

The Predator canned tunes are developed for stock to lightly modified vehicles. You can go into those tunes and adjust timing & fuel to a certain point. If you have a more modified vehicle heads,cam,intake or power adder a custom tune will be needed. Those are developed on a chassis dyno. All the parameters are monitored. And a custom tune is written for said modifications. With a out of box predator there is a limit to what you can do with it. Don't want customers to be able to adjust so far they can do damage to vehicle.

jsavelli · Post by **jsavelli** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:05 pm

I have some extras you all recomended I do to help performance..... turbo back Banks dual exhaust,air raid intake and pyrometer what can you do for my 2006 F250 diesel with 4' lift??????

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:04 pm

Those modifications are not considered as major. So you would not need a custom tune for them. You say you have a 4" lift kit. Do you also have bigger tires on the vehicle ?

jsavelli · Post by **jsavelli** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:48 pm

yes and this is my 3rd ford with the same type of kit and 35" tires. I have always used Predator and this is the 1st time I have had any problems. Always ran between 16-17mpg on all three 2003/2004 &2006 diesels....dont let me loose faith in the product. I hope you all will fix this latest tune SOON

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:55 pm

The only reason I was asking if you had larger tires. Is there is no parameter adjustments on the predator to set for larger tires. I was just wondering how you have correct speedometer readings.

jsavelli · Post by **jsavelli** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:42 pm

Everytime I have had Ford correct the speedometer and I test it with my GPS......lets get to the real MEAT of things and fix the problems instead of looking for excuses with everyones trucks. My TEMP is starting to get hot going back and forth with emails. Bottom line when will this program be updated, fixed and tested????

Phil · Post by **Phil** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:12 am

jsavelli. I was not looking for any excuses with your truck. Just saw that you posted something and was purely just asking about it Sorry.. As I said before the tuner is addressing these issues. Unfortunately he is in Orlando at the PRI show and will be there till Saturday night. When the fix is available I will be in contact with you. Sorry to get you HEATED. I was only trying to gain more info so we can correct your problem.

Batman6t9 · Post by **Batman6t9** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:11 pm

Phil i'm kinda having the same problem. i upgraded to the r19 because i had problems with the icp senser about 3 months ago. and it cost me $500 to fix.(I put the R17 back on after i got it back so the reflash is not a problem) So seeing that the predator had a new revision i upgraded it. Thinkin it would solve the problem of the injectors. The HP shot way down. Feels like stock has more power than the predator. There is a huge hesitation at any speed whenever i press the gas. I dont know about the surging on this tune because i was so unimpressed by it i took it off about 15 minutes later. Christina is supposed to send me the R17 tune. I was just trying to see if you could help also

07f250 · Post by **07f250** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:02 pm

OK, so I normally do not disparage companies and I try to keep my cool because I have been in the performance retail industry for a period of time as well. Here is my gripe: I purchased this performance enhancement (I have always bought and sold Diablo Sport products) even after reading the forum gripes on the product for my 07 6.0L. I was giving Diablo the benefit of the doubt due to experience with anal retentive and never satisfied clientele; but now I see that we are just getting the shaft. I bought my hand held from a supplier mid Oct along with exhaust and a cold air kit. Gauges followed that. So on a nice sunny day I go to install the program tune with no success. It told me that my Cal ID was XXXXXX so I called Diablo tech line for support and Christine informed me that I bought my handheld from a shop that either does not follow first in, first out our the do not sell many and it needs to be updated as it has been on the shelf for a while. Send back to them plus $25 (RMA) and shipping. Long story short, â€œWRONG!â€