r16 working good. Live data, heaters, tune on the fly, ETA?

hasman70 · Post by **hasman70** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:33 pm

I've got the r16 update in, truck hasn't missed once since. Job well done, Kudos, thanks for clearing it up for us. Now, real ? is when do you think you will have the "lesser important" features going? I really don't want to be too impatient, but, it kinda stinks that the predator is advertised having these features and it flat out doesn't have them. Live data, tune on the fly. Also seems like there is a heater problem, mine don't seem to be coming on at all either. Also, I was wandering about my overhead being on avg 3-5 mpg overstated since the last couple of updates. Looks good to show your buddies that you're getting 20+ mpg and then take it in the shorts when it is 16 on a good day. I know that driving habits have a lot to do with it, but I have babied this thing on a few 65-70 mph trips and when it shows 23-24 mpg and the best I've gotten on paper is 17-18 mpg, some adjustment needs to be made. Just wondering if I'm the only one that has seen this. Truck was always about 1-2 mpg off stock (overstated). One of the main reasons that I bought the combo was to increase ACTUAL mileage a bit, again I know that driving habits change things, but then again I have babied it, big time a few long trips in both the economy and tow modes. Maybe there is a setting that I haven't tried that will get me more. If anyone has found the sweet spot setting for fuel economy please let me know, cause I can't find it as of yet. All that said, thanks again for the personal service, I love your product 'cause it flat out makes good smooth (kick your buddies aps) power, I am a happy customer, and will buy again.

djensen9367 · Post by **djensen9367** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:45 pm

There is not one programmer or chip that does not throw the overhead off as they all must fool the computer either on boost, rail pressure etc. Getting the overhead to read accurately is impossible for all aftermarket fueling products.

madmanwithmouse · Post by **madmanwithmouse** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:40 am

Just wondering if I'm the only one that has seen this. Truck was always about 1-2 mpg off stock (overstated).

Ill bet if you check you speed vs a gps or radar gun that it is about 1-3mph over them. My 2007 speedo was off vs my gps with stock tires.

johan · Post by **johan** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:44 am

Yeah the overhead mpg is not a thing we can fix.
For the heater issue, i honestly do not think it is a predator issue as if it was everyone would have the same issue as the tunes do not differ from calid to calid.
The shift on the fly stuff has been put aside for the time being as we are working on the ram counter part , the Hemi (why anyone would get this truck with that motor is besides me but anywho) and at this time i have no eta of when will look into it again. Live data might be sooner.

hasman70 · Post by **hasman70** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:06 pm

Thanks for the info. Anybody out there see any actual mpg gains in the many different settings of the tuner/puck combo? I only put on 10,000 miles this year, might take me a couple of years to figure out the best fuel economy setting. Looking for the guys that run high mileage and can change things up every so often on long trips.

diesel_dan · Post by **diesel_dan** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:49 pm

What about tire size adjustment, I haven't been able to find it either. I'm planning to put 35's on my truck soon and that was one of the reasons I bought this programmer.

Herculou · Post by **Herculou** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:10 pm

I think the tire size was in the r12 version. I think it was in the options menu. I never did run the r14 so don't know about that. Did it transfer into the r16?

madmanwithmouse · Post by **madmanwithmouse** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:33 pm

The tire size is in the r16 aswell, they removed the tune on the fly. When you go to put in the tune there is a modify tune menu in that is tire size and idle up(for auto trans only), after you change it esc out and it will ask you if your sure, then it will ask you if you want to install the tune now.

p5pjc5 · Post by **p5pjc5** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:48 pm

Referencing Engine Block Heater issue as indicated above.... Loaded PERFORMANCE option. Turn key & Engine heater comes on but won't shutoff until engine actually started!!! (Can these things burn up?) Just purchased / installed 7130 & downloaded r30 version for 2004.5 cummings. Heater Indicator light on dash goes out as usual but I can hear heater continue to run even after light goes out. Loaded stock option back in & Heater works as expected. Reloaded "performance" option & heater issue returns. Owned truck since new. 63K miles, Zero upgrades other than this. Best ever 18.1 MPG (at 75 MPH) without Diablo stuff. Plan to run in performance mode only for a while & track MPG than (install puck later). It's Jan. Need the glow plug / engine heater to operate efficiently. Plan to load a diff tune just to check this issue. ideas?

Blue2003 · Post by **Blue2003** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:15 pm

p5pjc5 wrote:Referencing Engine Block Heater issue as indicated above.... Loaded PERFORMANCE option. Turn key & Engine heater comes on but won't shutoff until engine actually started!!! (Can these things burn up?) Just purchased / installed 7130 & downloaded r30 version for 2004.5 cummings. Heater Indicator light on dash goes out as usual but I can hear heater continue to run even after light goes out. Loaded stock option back in & Heater works as expected. Reloaded "performance" option & heater issue returns. Owned truck since new. 63K miles, Zero upgrades other than this. Best ever 18.1 MPG (at 75 MPH) without Diablo stuff. Plan to run in performance mode only for a while & track MPG than (install puck later). It's Jan. Need the glow plug / engine heater to operate efficiently. Plan to load a diff tune just to check this issue. ideas?

do you folks live in the cold states? i know that when you plug in your truck, and in the morning go to start it the light stays on for less than stock (normanl) because it has been plugged in. Now...... if it is cold outside and you are letting the truck warm up, and you hear a loud knock or click noise, that is your intake manifold heaters warming up, and warming up the air to the temperature that is set at the factory.So your driving around and the truck is up to operating temp. and pull into store for a few minutes for a snack or something, your truck on tow or performance on the predator, your truck will probably idled up to 1,000 r.p.m.s so the trucks intahe manifold temp. stays up!

dunejunkie · Post by **dunejunkie** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:33 am

the best fuel milage on a trip i got was in the econo tune with the puck off. hand calcted i was getting 20.1 ,on the over head it was reading 25.7 . that was at about 70mph. as for heaters mine work just fine, on cold mornings they come on and shut off just like when it was stock

p5pjc5 · Post by **p5pjc5** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:36 pm

Live in CT. Today is 20 degrees out (Brrrrr). I Park in the garage so I don't actully plug in the 115v engine block heater as I might if I lived in lets say...Alaska.... I just use the intake manifold heater via ignition key which is "basically" on any diesel car/truck/tractor I've ever seen. I discovered that heater will stay on (until truck is actually started) in all Predeator load options I've tried. (loaded each option to test intake heater only - didn't drive it...). No big deal I guess. I installed the puck and will try those options today to see if it still occurs. I would also say to new folks thinking of this stuff... As I loaded each software into the truck all sorts of noices were taking place under the hood during loading. I only mention as I have not seen that mentioned in the forums I've read. I guess that is standard operating procedure but I wasn't expecting it.... So far so good. I went out last evening in performance mode / puck off and tore it up a little bit. FELT like a slight improvemement in power & torque. A LITTLE BIT more black smoke. It also felt like a stonger smotther shift (48RE automatic) but I have read Diablo has no impact on shifting points.... so far so good.
Diesel $3.69 gallon. How about a performance mode for super maximum MPG. Currently 18ish. In my driving style I'd trade HP for MPG 90% of the time. Long trips no towing or hauling.

2004.5 Ram 2500 Laramie 4X4 automatic / Quad cab: Stock + Diablo stack
- Thoughts: EGT guage & Investigate this Boost fooler thing I've been reading about.

Blue2003 · Post by **Blue2003** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:37 pm

p5pjc5 wrote:Live in CT. Today is 20 degrees out (Brrrrr). I Park in the garage so I don't actully plug in the 115v engine block heater as I might if I lived in lets say...Alaska.... I just use the intake manifold heater via ignition key which is "basically" on any diesel car/truck/tractor I've ever seen. I discovered that heater will stay on (until truck is actually started) in all Predeator load options I've tried. (loaded each option to test intake heater only - didn't drive it...). No big deal I guess. I installed the puck and will try those options today to see if it still occurs. I would also say to new folks thinking of this stuff... As I loaded each software into the truck all sorts of noices were taking place under the hood during loading. I only mention as I have not seen that mentioned in the forums I've read. I guess that is standard operating procedure but I wasn't expecting it.... So far so good. I went out last evening in performance mode / puck off and tore it up a little bit. FELT like a slight improvemement in power & torque. A LITTLE BIT more black smoke. It also felt like a stonger smotther shift (48RE automatic) but I have read Diablo has no impact on shifting points.... so far so good.
Diesel $3.69 gallon. How about a performance mode for super maximum MPG. Currently 18ish. In my driving style I'd trade HP for MPG 90% of the time. Long trips no towing or hauling.

2004.5 Ram 2500 Laramie 4X4 automatic / Quad cab: Stock + Diablo stack
- Thoughts: EGT guage & Investigate this Boost fooler thing I've been reading about.

i have the 7130 predator and have the rkl toons downloaded and these toons are SMOKIE AND MAKE SOME GOOD POWER. i seem to get mileage on the diablo stock toons.When using extreme and the puck on the extreme stacker toon i seem to do pretty good.cannot remember the fuel mileage but that puck is a good little unit. it is a pressure box. to much pressure not good on the rail,but running respectfully,a pressure boxes help fuel atomization. that equals better fuel mileage.get in to it harder, harder on parts and a loss of mileage!

JoshW3235p · Post by **JoshW3235p** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:51 am

ok, I've posted some numbers on DieselPowerMag forums on fuel mileage. I recommend anyone to read that for some information. I have noticed a positive mileage increase with tunes on long trips. My best without it was about 17.5. At the recommendation of my aftermarket dealer TruckAddOns.com retail store. I install the Tow Mode with the Puck set at the 60hp setting. The best mileage that I have gotten with that is 20mpg (640miles, with a 32 gallon fill-up) When I'm calculating mileage, I fill it all the way up the neck to the cap, run it a distance, then fill it that far again. I've noticed that simply trusting the auto pump shutoff yeilds strange readings sometimes. Remember each Fuel Station Pump is just as different as Fuel Tank. Performance Setting and 60hp Puck maxes out about 19 for me.

When I measure...I try to stay about 75mph. I'm more than confident if I could bring myself to slow down to say about 60 or 65 it would do alot better.

Also when measureing, alot of time your speed isn't as much a factor as your RPM. try to stay at or below 2000rpm on the highway to find your trucks sweet spot.

I can't do it, I got the speed bug. But I'm sure there is someone out there that can do it. LOL

Anyone Else have any input?

JW

hasman70 · Post by **hasman70** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:48 am

Allright, the heaters seem to be working since the colder temps of winter are here. Idle is lopey again when it goes to high idle rpms. My dad just bought an 08 and he likes the power that the Diablo gives my 06. He had a TST box on his 04.5 and had issues all the time that they never could fix. They sent out wiring kits, reflashed again and again, etc. Codes still came, wierd crap happened intermittently.

Things I like about my purchase decision-
POWER, this forum, multiple settings, downloadable toons, codes don't come up on a regular basis (hardly ever), people who answer our questions (even if it is not the answer we are looking for).

Things that I don't like (or that diablosport could do better)-
Sell a programmer that does what it is advertised to do, QUICKER fixes to our REAL problems, key count issues, a mileage toon (fuel is not getting any cheaper).

Heck of a good product, but gees guys, we've got a few problems here that need addressed. I know that new products are very important (where the money is) but I also know that some of your competitors' products HAVE the features that the predator is supposed to have. Obviously Johan is busy, why else would there be no features added since the last r16 update many months ago. Would I buy a diablosport product again, YES! Am I (and others I am sure) completely satisfied, no... Please find a way to get things moving in the Dodge Diesel section again. Do it soon so that I can convince my dad that when the predator comes out for the 6.7, it is the way to go! It has been many moons ago since we got some attention! THANKS!